Chef des Rechnungshofs will mehr Kontrolle über die Bahn
Karsten Kammholz und Philipp Neumann

„Manchmal versucht man, den Prüfern das Leben schwer zu machen“, sagt der Chef des Bundesrechnungshofs, Kay Scheller.
Foto: jörg Krauthöfer /Funke MedienGruppe
Berlin Der Präsident des Rechnungshofs, Kay Scheller, beklagt im Interview einen zu nachlässigen Umgang der Bundesregierung mit Steuergeldern.
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=tuspoh?‣ [vs Qfstpo; Ebt jtu Lbz Tdifmmfs=0tuspoh?
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