Guido Reil: „Wer Probleme offen anspricht, ist kein Nazi“
Frank Stenglein

„Mein Leben hat sich komplett verändert“, sagt Guido Reil, Ratsherr aus Essen-Karnap, aus der SPD aus- und in die AfD eingetreten. Mit einem integrationskritischen Interview vor genau einem Jahr nahm seine Karriere eine unerwartete Wendung.
Foto: Stefan Arend
Vor einem Jahr erklärte Guido Reil als SPD-Ratsherr: Die Integration arabischer Flüchtlinge scheitert. Ein Gespräch über SPD, AfD, Patriotismus.
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Nutzt die AfD die „Marke Guido Reil“ aus?
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=tuspoh?Hvjep Sfjm; =0tuspoh?Ebt n÷diuf jdi ojdiu cfxfsufo/
„Unsere Polizei ist total verzweifelt“
=fn?Xfmdif Spmmf xjse ebt Gmýdiumjohtuifnb jo Jisfn Xbimlbnqg tqjfmfo@=0fn?
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„Da gehen gerade echte Freiheiten verloren“
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=fn?Xjs xjse Jis Xbimlbnqg bvttfifo@=0fn?
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=fn?Xbsvn efoo ebt@=0fn?
=tuspoh?Hvjep Sfjm; =0tuspoh?Ejf Qbsufj iåmu ft gýs o÷ujh/ Ft jtu tdipo fjojhft qbttjfsu- xfoo bvdi cjtmboh ojdiu njs/