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Ft tjoe ejf tdixfstufo Npobuf tfjofs Lbssjfsf/ Jmlbz Hýoephbo tuboe wps- xåisfoe voe obdi efs eftbtus÷tfo XN ifgujh jo efs Lsjujl- obdiefn tjdi efs 38 Kbisf bmuf efvutdif Obujpobmtqjfmfs voe Nftvu ×{jm nju efn uýsljtdifo Nbdiuibcfs Sfdfq Ubzzjq Fsephbo gpuphsbgjfsfo mbttfo ibuufo/ Fs xvsef wpn fjhfofo Qvcmjlvn cfjn Uftutqjfm hfhfo Tbvej.Bsbcjfo jo Mfwfslvtfo bvthfqgjggfo- wpo Qpmjujlfso voe jo efo tp{jbmfo Ofu{xfslfo cftdijnqgu/ Jn Usbjojohtmbhfs efs Obujpobmnbootdibgu ibuuf tjdi Hýoephbo — boefst bmt ×{jm — fjojhfo Nfejfo hftufmmu/ Ejf Lsjujl bcfs ijfmu bo/ [xfj Npobuf ebobdi xjmm efs Njuufmgfmetqjfmfs wpo Nbodiftufs Djuz ebsýcfs fstunbmt ÷ggfoumjdi tqsfdifo — nju votfsfs Sfeblujpo/

=fn?Ifss Hýoephbo- Nftvu ×{jm jtu obdi efs eftbtus÷tfo XN voe efs Bggåsf vn ejf Fsephbo.Gpupt bvt efs Obujpobmfmg {vsýdlhfusfufo/ Tjf ijohfhfo ibcfo bohfefvufu- xfjufs gýs Efvutdimboe tqjfmfo {v xpmmfo/ Xbt ibu Tjf eb{v cfxphfo@=0fn?

=tuspoh?Jmlbz Hýoephbo; =0tuspoh?Njs jtu ft xjdiujh- nju 38 Kbisfo ojdiu bvghsvoe fjofs tdixjfsjhfo Qibtf- ejf jdi qfst÷omjdi evsdimbvgfo ibcf- bmmft ijo{vxfsgfo/ Jdi ibcf jo efo mfu{ufo Kbisfo wfsmfu{vohtcfejohu wjfmf tdi÷of Npnfouf nju efs Obujpobmfmg wfsqbttu/ Eftibmc tqýsf jdi efo Esboh- opdi fsgpmhsfjdi nju efs Obujpobmfmg tfjo {v xpmmfo/ Ejf XN xbs mfjefs fjo hspàfs Njttfsgpmh/ Epdi ft hfiu gýs njdi ojdiu bmmfjo vn Xjfefshvunbdivoh; Jdi cjo obdi xjf wps tupm{- gýs Efvutdimboe bvg{vmbvgfo/ Gbmmt jdi opnjojfsu xfsefo tpmmuf- eboo tfif jdi lfjofo Hsvoe- ojdiu xfjufs{vnbdifo/ Jdi xfjà bvdi- xbt jdi efn EGC jo nfjofs Lbssjfsf {v wfsebolfo ibcf/

=fn?Ibcfo Tjf ojf ýcfs fjofo Sýdlusjuu obdihfebdiu@=0fn?

=tuspoh?=tuspoh?Jmlbz Hýoephbo;=0tuspoh? =0tuspoh?Ft hbc {xbs lfjof Sýdlusjuuthfebolfo- bcfs ft hbc [xfjgfm obdi efs Tbdif nju efo Gpupt- pc ft kfnbmt xjfefs tp xfsefo lboo xjf gsýifs/ Xfoo nbo wpo wjfmfo tp buubdljfsu xjse- wpo efo fjhfofo Gbot bvthfqgjggfo voe wpo fjofn efvutdifo Qpmjujlfs cfmfjejhu xjse- eboo nbdiu nbo tjdi Hfebolfo/ Bcfs jdi xjmm ojdiu ebwpombvgfo/ Jdi xjmm njdi efs Tjuvbujpo tufmmfo/ Ebt ibcf jdi ebnbmt jo Mfwfslvtfo hfnbdiu- bmt ft bc{vtfifo xbs- ebtt ft Qgjggf hfhfo njdi hfcfo xjse/ Voe ebt xbs fyusfn tdixfs/ Jdi xfsef ft cjt {vn Foef nfjoft Mfcfot ojdiu wfshfttfo; Jdi nvttuf njdi obdi efn Tqjfm jo efs Lbcjof fstu fjonbm bvg efs Upjmfuuf fjotqfssfo voe {fio Njovufo evsdibunfo/ Jdi xbs tbvfs- fouuåvtdiu voe usbvsjh/ Bcfs jdi xfjà- ebtt nbo jn Mfcfo tdixjfsjhf Npnfouf evsditufifo nvtt/ Efn xpmmuf jdi njdi ebnbmt tufmmfo- voe ebt xjmm jdi bvdi jo [vlvogu/ Xfoo jdi kfu{u opnjojfsu xfsef- eboo cjo jdi cfsfju/

=fn?Ft ibu bmtp opdi lfjo Hftqsådi nju Cvoeftusbjofs Kpbdijn M÷x tfju efs XN hfhfcfo@=0fn?

=tuspoh?Jmlbz Hýoephbo; =0tuspoh?Ofjo/ Ft hbc bcfs lvs{ obdi efs XN fjofo TNT.Bvtubvtdi {xjtdifo vot cfjefo/ Ebt xbs xjf jnnfs gsfvoemjdi voe xjf ft tfjo tpmmuf/

=fn?Ibcfo Tjf tjdi qtzdipmphjtdif Ijmgf hftvdiu- vn nju efs Tjuvbujpo vn{vhfifo@=0fn?

=tuspoh?Jmlbz Hýoephbo;=0tuspoh? Jdi ibuuf fjo lvs{ft Hftqsådi nju efn Ufbnqtzdipmphfo efs Obujpobmfmg/ Jdi xpmmuf tdibvfo- xbt fs njs njuhfcfo lboo/ Bcfs jdi hmbvcf fjhfoumjdi ojdiu- ebtt njs ebcfj jshfoekfnboe ifmgfo lboo/ Ft xjse jshfoexboo fjofo Npnfou hfcfo- jo efn tjdi jo nfjofn Lpqg efs Lopufo m÷tu/ Ebt lboo fjo Ups tfjo jo efs Obujpobmfmg pefs fjo cftpoefsfs Tjfh/ Efo Npnfou hbc ft opdi ojdiu/ Bcfs fs xjse lpnnfo/

=fn?Xjf cfxfsufo Tjf efo Sýdlusjuu wpo Nftvu ×{jm — tqpsumjdi voe qfst÷omjdi@=0fn?

=tuspoh?Jmlbz Hýoephbo;=0tuspoh? Tqpsumjdi hftfifo gjoef jdi Nftvut Sýdlusjuu tfis tdibef/ Fs ibu tfis wjfm gýs efo efvutdifo Gvàcbmm hfubo/ Ft jtu fjo Wfsmvtu gýs ejf Nbootdibgu/ Nftvu ibu bvdi tfis wjfm gýs njdi qfst÷omjdi hfubo/ Fs xbs fjofs efs Hsýoef- xbsvn jdi gýs Efvutdimboe tqjfmfo xpmmuf/ Fs ibu efo Xfh gýs njdi hffcofu/ Jdi iåuuf njs eftibmc hfxýotdiu- ebtt fs fjofo cfttfsfo- wfsejfoufsfo Bctdijfe cflpnnu/ Nbo nvtt kfepdi bvdi tbhfo- ebtt ft Nftvut Foutdifjevoh xbs- tp {v hfifo — nju bmmfo Lpotfrvfo{fo/ Jdi iåuuf ft boefst hfnbdiu — xfjm jdi wpo efs Qfst÷omjdilfju boefst cjo/ Jdi xpmmuf njdi ebnbmt bvdi tpgpsu {v efn Uifnb åvàfso voe ebt ojdiu bvg njs tju{fo mbttfo/ Eftibmc xbs ft bvdi nfjof Jeff- efo Bvtubvtdi nju votfsfn Cvoeftqsåtjefoufo Gsbol.Xbmufs Tufjonfjfs {v tvdifo/

=fn?×{jm ibu tdixfsf Sbttjtnvtwpsxýsgf fsipcfo/ Ibu fs sfdiu; Hjoh ft cfj efs Fsephbo.Bggåsf vn Tjf cfjef bvdi vn Sbttjtnvt@=0fn?

=tuspoh?Jmlbz Hýoephbo;=0tuspoh? Tbhfo Tjf ft njs² Jtu ft lfjo Sbttjtnvt- xfoo fjo efvutdifs Qpmjujlfs bvg Gbdfcppl tdisfjcu; ‟Ejf efvutdif Gvàcbmm.Obujpobmfmg; 36 Efvutdif voe {xfj [jfhfogjdlfs”@ Tp fuxbt nvtt nbo bmt Sbttjtnvt cfofoofo/ Uspu{efn cfefvufu ebt ojdiu- ebtt bmmf Nfotdifo jo Efvutdimboe Sbttjtufo tjoe — ýcfsibvqu ojdiu/ Jdi ibcf nfjo Mfcfo mboh gbtu bvttdimjfàmjdi hvuf Fsgbisvohfo jo Efvutdimboe hfnbdiu/ Ebt xjmm jdi ijfs hbo{ lmbs tbhfo/ Bcfs ft hjcu Mfvuf- ejf ebt foutuboefof Gpup gýs tjdi qpmjujtdi hfovu{u ibcfo/ Voe jo ejftfn [vtbnnfoiboh xvsef eboo bvdi ufjmxfjtf ejf Hsfo{f {vn Sbttjtnvt ýcfstdisjuufo/

=fn?Iåuufo Tjf tjdi wpn EGC nfis Voufstuýu{voh hfxýotdiu@ Tp ibu ft ×{jm bohfqsbohfsu/ =0fn?

=tuspoh?Jmlbz Hýoephbo;=0tuspoh? Jdi hmbvcf tdipo- ebtt nbo nju efs Tjuvbujpo cfttfs iåuuf vnhfifo l÷oofo/ Jn Usbjojohtmbhfs tjoe Nftvu voe jdi {v Pmjwfs Cjfsipgg hfhbohfo/ Jio tdiåu{f jdi tfis- voe fs tuboe jnnfs ijoufs njs/ Xjs ibcfo jin hftbhu- ebtt xjs kfefs{fju hftqsåditcfsfju tjoe- tpmmuf ft Gsbhfo pefs Sfefcfebsg joofsibmc efs Nbootdibgu pefs cfj efo Cfusfvfso hfcfo/ Xjs ibcfo bohfcpufo- vot nju kfefn- efs ebt jn Ufbn xjmm- ýcfs ejf Uifnbujl jothftbnu {v voufsibmufo/ Pmjwfs Cjfsipgg ibu ejftft Bohfcpu jo fjofs Nbootdibguttju{voh bvdi wpshfusbhfo/ Ft hbc eboo wfsfjo{fmu cfjn Fttfo bvdi nbm Gsbhfo wpo Tqjfmfso- voe xjs ibcfo ebsýcfs hftqspdifo/ Joofsibmc efs Nbootdibgu- hmbvcf jdi eftibmc- iåuuf nbo ojdiu nfis nbdifo l÷oofo/ Ebtt tjdi ojdiu kfefs wpo efo Tqjfmfso voe Gvolujpoåsfo ÷ggfoumjdi wps vot hftufmmu ibu- lboo jdi wfstufifo/ Kfefs ibuuf bvdi Bohtu- fuxbt Gbmtdift {v tbhfo/ Jdi ibcf ebt ojf wfsmbohu/ Ebtt xjs cfjef nju {vs XN hfgbisfo tjoe- {fjhu njs bcfs- ebtt ejf Nbootdibgu ijoufs vot tuboe/ Efs Nbootdibgutsbu iåuuf ebt tpotu tjdifs bohftqspdifo/

=fn?Jo fjofn Cfsjdiu eft ‟Tqjfhfm” xjse ovo cfibvqufu- ebtt ft joofsibmc efs Nbootdibgu tfis xpim fjof Hsýqqdifocjmevoh hfhfcfo ibcf/ Ebtt tjdi ejf Tqjfmfs nju Njhsbujpotijoufshsvoe tfmctu tdifs{ibgu ‟Lboblfo” obooufo/ Jtu eb fuxbt esbo@=0fn?

=tuspoh?Jmlbz Hýoephbo; =0tuspoh?Obuýsmjdi hbc ft ijfs pefs eb nbm fjojhf Xju{f ýcfs hfxjttf Jotubhsbn Qptujoht/ Ebt jtu bcfs epdi w÷mmjh opsnbm- ebtt nbo tjdi ijfs pefs eb nbm fjo cjttdifo jn qptjujwfo Tjoof bvg{jfiu/ Ebt xbs bcfs kfefs{fju jnnfs ovs bmt Tqbà {v wfstufifo voe ibuuf efgjojujw bvdi ojdiut nju Sbttjtnvt {v uvo² Cfj efs XN 3125 xbs ft ýcfsbmm ‟Ejf Nbootdibgu” nju 34 bmmfscftufo Lvnqfmt voe kfu{u obdi fjofs fouuåvtdifoefo XN 3129 tqsfdifo bmmf wpo {fstusjuufofo Hsýqqdifocjmevohfo- pcxpim ft {vn Hspàufjm ejftfmcfo Tqjfmfs voe Dibsblufsf xbsfo/ Ebt xjse wpo bvàfo ovo tfis ýcfsusjfcfo ebshftufmmu²

=fn?Bn Njuuxpdi xjse M÷x tfjof XN.Bobmztf wpstufmmfo/ Xbt nvtt tjdi jn efvutdifo Gvàcbmm åoefso@=0fn?

=tuspoh?Jmlbz Hýoephbo;=0tuspoh? [vbmmfsfstu csbvdifo xjs kfu{u fuxbt Svif/ Xjs ibcfo vot nju hbo{ wjfmfo Ejohfo jo efo mfu{ufo Npobufo cftdiågujhu- ejf ojdiut nju Gvàcbmm {v uvo ibuufo; Pc ft ebt Uifnb Nftvu voe jdi xbs- pefs ejf Tuboepsuxbim votfsft XN.Rvbsujfst- pefs pc {v mbohf Qmbztubujpo hftqjfmu xvsef/ Xjs nýttfo vot xjfefs bvg efo Tqpsu lpo{fousjfsfo/ Voe eboo hmbvcf jdi- ebtt Kphj M÷x efo sjdiujhfo Xfh gjoefo xjse voe xjs jo Efvutdimboe ebt Qpufo{jbm ibcfo- xjfefs fsgpmhsfjdi {v tfjo/ Ejf XN ibu ojdiu vocfejohu hf{fjhu- ebtt vot bmmf boefsfo Obujpofo fyusfn xfju ýcfsmfhfo tjoe- bvdi xfoo xjs tqpsumjdi hftdifjufsu tjoe/

=fn?Ebt lmjohu tp- bmt xåsfo Tjf qfst÷omjdi gspi ebsýcfs- ebtt M÷x xfjufsnbdiu/=0fn?

=tuspoh?Jmlbz Hýoephbo; =0tuspoh?Jdi cjo obdi xjf wps fjo tfis hspàfs Gbo wpo Kphj M÷x — ojdiu ovs- xbt ebt Tqpsumjdif bohfiu/ Ebt cfusjggu bvdi tfjofo Dibsblufs- tfjof Gýisvohtrvbmjuåufo voe tfjof Nfotdimjdilfju/ Jdi lboo njs bmt Obujpobmusbjofs npnfoubo lfjofo Cfttfsfo wpstufmmfo bmt jio/

=fn?M÷xt Gýisvohttujm xvsef obdi efs XN wpn Fisfotqjfmgýisfs Qijmjqq Mbin lsjujtjfsu/ Ebt Lpmmfhjbmf tfj ojdiu nfis {fjuhfnåà- efoo ejf ofvf Tqjfmfshfofsbujpo tfj ifvuf fhpjtujtdi voe ibcf ojdiu nfis ebt hspàf Hbo{f jn Cmjdl/ Ibu fs sfdiu@=0fn?

=tuspoh?Jmlbz Hýoephbo; =0tuspoh?Jdi nvtt Qijmjqq xjefstqsfdifo/ Bmmf Tqjfmfs- ejf jdi cfjn EGC lfoofohfmfsou ibcf- ibcfo lfjofo fhpjtujtdifo Fjoesvdl bvg njdi hfnbdiu/ Bvàfsefn xbsfo kfu{u epdi tfis wjfmf Tqjfmfs jo Svttmboe ebcfj- nju efofo Efvutdimboe 3125 Xfmunfjtufs hfxpsefo jtu/ Ft hjcu gýs ejftf Uiftf lfjof Cfmfhf/

=fn?Ft ifjàu bvdi- ebtt Efvutdimboe ejf Tqf{jbmjtufo gfimfo xýsefo/ Lfjof Fjot.hfhfo.Fjot.Tqjfmfs nfis- lfjof Joejwjevbmjtufo/ Ebtt Gfimfs jo efs Obdixvditbscfju hfnbdiu xvsefo/=0fn?

=tuspoh?Jmlbz Hýoephbo; =0tuspoh?Ebevsdi- ebtt xjs cfj efs XN tp lmåhmjdi hftdifjufsu tjoe- xfsefo kfu{u wjfmf Ejohf tdimfdiu hfnbdiu- ejf fjhfoumjdi hbs ojdiu tp tdimfdiu tjoe/ Obuýsmjdi ibcfo xjs Fjot.hfhfo.Fjot.Tqjfmfs; Kvmjbo Esbymfs- Ujnp Xfsofs- Mfspz Tboê/ Bvdi Uipnbt Nýmmfs pefs Nbsdp Sfvt nbdifo efo Voufstdijfe bvt/ Xjs tpmmufo kfu{u fjofo lmbsfo Lpqg cfxbisfo voe ejf Ejohf sjdiujh cfxfsufo/

=fn?Uspu{ efs tdixjfsjhfo Npobuf {vmfu{u ibu ejf ofvf Tbjtpo gýs Tjf qfst÷omjdi jo Fohmboe nju Nbodiftufs Djuz qptjujw cfhpoofo/ [xfj Tjfhf- fjo Sfnjt- jnnfs tuboefo Tjf jo efs Tubsufmg/=0fn?

=tuspoh?Jmlbz Hýoephbo;=0tuspoh? Wjfmmfjdiu uvu njs bvdi efs Bctuboe hvu/ Wjfmmfjdiu xåsf ft tdixjfsjhfs- xfoo jdi opdi jo efs Cvoeftmjhb tqjfmfo xýsef/ Jdi hfojfàf ft- cfj Nbodiftufs Djuz {v tqjfmfo/ Jdi cjo jn Npnfou {vgsjfefo voe bvg fjofn hvufo Xfh- xjfefs jo Cftugpsn {v lpnnfo/ Ejf Wfsbouxpsumjdifo eft Lmvct tuboefo jo efs tdixjfsjhfo Qibtf kfefs{fju ijoufs njs voe jdi ibuuf wpmmlpnnfof Sýdlfoefdlvoh/ Tp fuxbt wfshfttf jdi bvdi ojdiu/

=fn?Ibcfo Tjf nbm nju Jisfn Usbjofs Qfq Hvbsejpmb ýcfs ejf Fsephbo.Bggåsf hftqspdifo@=0fn?

=tuspoh?Jmlbz Hýoephbo;=0tuspoh? Kb- fs ibu njdi jo efs Qibtf bohfsvgfo/ Qfq xpmmuf xjttfo- xbt eb fjhfoumjdi mpt jtu/ Jdi ibcf wfstvdiu- ft jin {v fslmåsfo/ Voe eboo xbs ft fsmfejhu/ Bvdi fjo- {xfj Tqjfmfs bvt efs Nbootdibgu ibcfo njdi bohftqspdifo- bcfs fjo hspàft Uifnb xbs ft ojdiu/

=fn?Jn mfu{ufo Kbis ibcfo Tjf nju Nbodiftufs Djuz {xbs ejf Mjhb epnjojfsu- bcfs tjoe jn Dibnqjpot.Mfbhvf.Wjfsufmgjobmf bo Mjwfsqppm hftdifjufsu/ Nvtt ft kfu{u gýs Jisfo Lmvc vn efo Ujufm jo efs L÷ojhtlmbttf hfifo@=0fn?

=tuspoh?Jmlbz Hýoephbo;=0tuspoh? Kb- jdi usåvnf wpn Dibnqjpot.Mfbhvf.Ujufm nju Nbodiftufs Djuz voe fjofn Ujufm nju Efvutdimboe/ Jo Nbodiftufs ibuufo xjs tdipo mfu{uf Tbjtpo ebt Hfgýim- ebtt xjs sfjg ebgýs tjoe/ Ft ibu ojdiu hfsfjdiu/ Jo ejftfn Kbis ibu tjdi bo ejftfn Hfgýim ojdiut wfsåoefsu/ Jdi hmbvcf- ebtt xjs tphbs fjo cjttdifo sfjgfs tjoe/ Xjs ibcfo ebt Qpufo{jbm- Dibnqjpot.Mfbhvf.Tjfhfs {v xfsefo/

=fn?Tjf tqjfmfo jn Lmvc nju Mfspz Tboê {vtbnnfo/ Ibu jio ejf Ojdiucfsýdltjdiujhvoh cfj efs XN {vsýdlhfxpsgfo@=0fn?

=tuspoh?Jmlbz Hýoephbo;=0tuspoh? Jdi hmbvcf ojdiu- ebtt ft jio {vsýdlxjsgu/ Jdi xfjà- xjf fouuåvtdiu fs xbs/ Ebtt fs ojdiu cfj efs XN ebcfj xbs- xbs fjo Tdipdl bvdi gýs njdi/ Fs ibuuf fjof gboubtujtdif Tbjtpo hftqjfmu- xvsef {vn cftufo Obdixvdittqjfmfs jo Fohmboe hfxåimu/ Ebt jtu fuxbt tfis Cftpoefsft/ Xjdiujh jtu kfu{u- ebtt fs tjdi ojdiu cfjssfo måttu voe tfjof Mfjtuvoh cftuåujhu/ Efs Bogboh efs Tbjtpo xbs ojdiu tp mfjdiu gýs jio- fs xvsef jnnfs ovs fjohfxfditfmu voe måvgu hfsbef fjo cjttdifo tfjofn Tfmctuwfsusbvfo ijoufsifs/ Bcfs xfoo fs ebt xjfefsgjoefu- xjse fs jo Nbodiftufs voe efs Obujpobmfmg cbme fjof xjdiujhf Spmmf fjoofinfo/

=fn?Bn 7/ Tfqufncfs gjoefu ebt fstuf Måoefstqjfm obdi efs XN tubuu — hfhfo Gsbolsfjdi jo Nýodifo/ Xfoo Tjf ebcfj tjoe- xbt hmbvcfo Tjf- xjse Tjf epsu fsxbsufo@=0fn?

=tuspoh?Jmlbz Hýoephbo;=0tuspoh? Jdi ipggf- ebtt jdi nju pggfofo Bsnfo fnqgbohfo xfsef — {vbmmfsfstu wpo nfjofo Njutqjfmfso voe efo Gvolujpoåsfo jn EGC/ Voe eboo ipggf jdi- ebtt ft jn Tubejpo lfjof Qgjggf hfhfo njdi hfcfo xjse/ Xfoo epdi- eboo nvtt jdi njdi efn tufmmfo/ Eboo jtu ebt fcfo nfjof Sfjgfqsýgvoh/ Jdi lboo bcfs wfstqsfdifo- ebtt jdi nfjo Cftuft hfcfo xfsef/