Hamann über Schalke: Identifikation ist das große Problem
Sebastian Weßling

Dietmar Hamann glaubt, dass der BVB gegen Bayern gute Chancen hat.
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Essen. Ex-Nationalspieler Dietmar Hamann spricht im Interview über das Topspiel zwischen dem BVB und Bayern - und analysiert die Krise auf Schalke.
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