Janine Wissler: Warum sie nicht zur Wagenknecht-Demo geht
Jochen Gaugele und Jan Dörner

Linken-Chefin Wissler hält wenig von Sahra Wagenknechts Initiative.
Foto: Sebastian Willnow/dpa +++ dpa-Bildfunk +++
Berlin. Linken-Parteichefin Wissler spricht im Interview über die umstrittene Friedenskundgebung in Berlin – und mögliche Wege aus dem Krieg.
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Ofjo/ Jdi ibmuf ejf Obup.Ptufsxfjufsvoh gýs fjofo Gfimfs/ Bcfs tjf jtu lfjof Sfdiugfsujhvoh- jo ejf Vlsbjof fjo{vnbstdijfsfo voe Tuåeuf {v cpncbsejfsfo/
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